What is the Islamic ruling on a wife who leaves the marital home to live in a rented house with one of her children, for fear that her husband may beat her because he is severely mentally ill? Please note that the house is rented with the husband’s knowledge, and this situation has been going on for one year and five months.
What is the ruling on a wife going out for social occasions and to uphold ties with her family and relatives? She usually goes out to these events with one of her daughters or sons?
And the scholar replies
Praise be to Allaah
If the woman has left her home and gone to live in another house with her husband’s permission, then there is nothing wrong with that, if she moves to a place where she and her children can be safe. The same applies if her leaving is necessary because of the fear that her husband may beat her as the result of his severe mental illness.
The basic principle is that a woman should not leave her husband’s home without his permission, and if she leaves without his permission, then she is being disobedient and willfully defiant. She loses the right to maintenance and is sinning thereby. But an exception is made in cases of necessity and the men’ have given several examples of that, such as if she goes out to buy flour, bread or other necessities, or she is afraid that the house may collapse, and so on.
Uh-huh
It says in Mataalib Ooli al-Nuha (5/271): It is haraam (forbidden) for the wife to go out without the husband’s permission, or without there being an essential reason such as bringing some food because there is no one who can bring it. End quote.
Hence we know the ruling on her going out for social occasions and to uphold ties with her family and relatives; she should not do that except with his permission, whether she lives with him or in a separate house.
The woman wrote that her husband is severally mentally ill and this guy still thinks she needs his permission to go out? I’d say the scholar proves that mental illness comes in many forms.
The ‘fuqaha’ (stupid men) differed with regard to a wife visiting her parents in particular – does the husband have the right to prevent her from doing that, and does she have to obey him?
The Hanafis and Maalikis are of the view that he does not have the right to prevent her from doing that.
And they would be correct. She does not have to obey a mentally ill husband or scholar.
But there are many scholars who are going to prove that even a mentally ill man is smarter than a Muslim woman. It's almost like they brag about it.
More fruit.
The Shaafa’is and Hanbalis are of the view that he does have the right to prevent her, and that she must obey him, so she should not go out to visit them except with his permission, but he does not have the right to prevent her from speaking to them or to prevent them from visiting her, unless he fears that their visit may cause some harm, in which case he may forbid it so as to ward off harm.
I see the words Fear and Obey. If the women don’t obey --the men will get scared. I don’t think I want that message spread about.
Ibn Nujaym (Hanafi) said: If her father is elderly, for example, and needs her to serve him, and the husband prevents her from visiting him, then she may disobey him, whether her father is a Muslim or a kaafir (pagan, idol worshipper, farmer). This is what it says in Fath al-Qadeer. It may be understood from what we have said that she may go out to visit her parents and mahrams. According to the correct view, she may go out to visit her parents every week with or without his permission, and to visit her mahrams once every year with or without his permission. End quote from al-Bahr al-Raa’iq (4/212).
There is nothing about this in the Quran. Idiot. End quote.
It says in al-Taaj wa’l-Ikleel ‘ala Matn al-Khaleel (Maaliki) (5/549): In al-‘Utbiyyah it says that the man has no right to prevent his wife from going out to the house of her father or brother, and a ruling to that effect should be issued against him, which is different from the view of Ibn Habeeb.
Ibn Rushd said: This difference of opinion applies to a young woman who is trustworthy. As for the old woman there is no difference of opinion; she may visit her father and brother. As for a young woman who is not trustworthy, she is not allowed to go out. End quote.
“Old woman” here refers to one who is old and for whom men have no desire. Al-Mawsoo’ahal-Fiqhiyyah (29/294).
That is absolutely awful and wrong…yet it still made me laugh.
Guys, you seriously can’t be believing this crap!
Ibn Hajar al-Makki (Shaafa’i) said: If a woman needs to go out to visit her father or to go to the baths, she may go out with her husband’s permission, not wearing any adornment, wearing a wrapper and old clothes, lowering her gaze as she walks, not looking to her right or left, otherwise she is sinning.” End quote from al-Zawaajir ‘an ‘Iqtiraaf al-Kabaa’ir (2/78).
And if she gets run over by a camel for not looking where she’s going she won’t die a sinner.Now of course non of this would be said against a man as they are allowed to look everywhere.
It says in Asna al-Mataalib (Shaafa’i) (3/239): The husband has the right to prevent his wife from visiting her sick parents and attending their funerals and the funeral of her child, but it is better not to do that. End quote.
Because she might get mad and poison his food. End quote
Imam Ahma said concerning a woman who had a husband and a sick mother: Obeying her husband is more obligatory for her than obeying her mother, unless he gives her permission. End quote from Sharh Muntaha al-Iraadaat (3/47).
Are you seeing a pattern here? Insecure men make stupid laws. And do you know that they’re not done? There’s more
It says in al-Insaaf (8/362): She does not have to obey her parents if they tell her to leave her husband or visit them and so on, rather obeying her husband comes first.
The Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas was asked: What is the ruling on a woman going out of her husband’s house without his permission, and staying in her father’s house without her husband’s permission, and preferring to obey her parents rather than obeying her husband?
They replied: It is not permissible for a woman to go out of her husband’s house without his permission, whether to go to her parents or anyone else, because that is one of her duties, unless there is a Sharia justification that makes it necessary for her to go out.
End quote from Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (19/165).
Yeah, that standing committee really needs to sit down and shut the fk up. They make Islam look so stupid. They are the enemies of Islam.
Another indication that it is essential to have the husband’s permission to visit her parents is the story of the slander (al-ifk) which is narrated in al-Saheehayn, in which ‘Aiesha said to the Prophet: “Will you allow me to go to my parents?”
Al-Bukhaari (4141), Muslim (2770)
Oh that doesn’t count, she was probably only 10 at the time.
Al-‘Iraaqi said in Tarh al-Tathreeb (8/58): Her words, “Will you allow me to go to my parents?” indicate that the wife should not go to her parents’ house except with the permission of her husband, unlike her going out relieve herself, for which she does not need his permission, as is indicated in this hadeeth. End quote.
Hmm….maybe it was because she lived in the deserts of Arabia with crazy people?
And if it’s a safety issue then the safest place for any Muslim woman should be in ANY Muslim country, yes? Only the unbelievers would mistreat a woman, right? Yet it is in the Muslim countries where she is in the most danger of leaving the house according to these scholars. And they go on…
Nevertheless, it is better for the husband to allow his wife to visit her parents and mahrams, and not to prevent her from doing so, unless there is some certain harm that may result from visiting one of them, because preventing her involves cutting off ties of kinship and not allowing her may make her go against him. And visiting her family and relatives will make her feel good and make her and her children happy, and all of that will bring benefits to the husband and the family.
With regard to what is mentioned in the question about her going out with one of her daughters or sons, it should be noted here that in cases where it is required for a mahram to be present, it is not sufficient for there to be a small son or daughter present, rather there has to be a mahram present to achieve what is required by sharia.
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said: The scholars have mentioned that one of the conditions of a mahram is that he should be an adult of sound mind. When a man reaches the age of fifteen or pubic hair has appeared, or semen is emitted when one has an erotic dream etc, then he has reached the age of puberty and he may be a mahram, if he is of sound mind…
Fataawa ‘Ulama’ al-Balad al-Haraam, p. 1121.
We ask Allaah to set our affairs and the affairs of all the Muslims straight.
And Allaah knows best.
Maybe, but these scholars are nuts.
If it wasn’t true it would be a riot. But because it is true it needs to be fixed. Muslim men, you gotta take your balls back. These scholars make you look like insecure girly men. Afraid of everything. Eww someone might look at her. Eww she might look back. Treat her right and you won’t have that fear. Problem solved. End quote.
You can see why the Quran says that the Hellfire will be filled with men...and Jinn.
A Muslim asks a scholar
My father sends me boxes of razors to sell. Given that these razors are usually used for shaving beards, and rarely for shaving moustaches and pubic hairs, and for this reason I feel doubtful, is it halaal or haraam, i.e., should I sell them or not?
And the scholar replies
Praise be to Allaah.
What a stupid ass question. And what? You expect a brilliant life changing answer? Go give money and food to the poor and pray 5 hail Allah’s.
That’s what the answer should have been. But here’s how they answered….can't believe they would answer such a dumb question..
It is not haraam (forbidden) for you to sell them and benefit from their price, but they are haraam for the one who intends to use them for a haraam purpose.
They have to pass a lie detector before they buy a razor?
Only on Fridays