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Friday Freaky Fatwa--Can a Muslim pray in a Church?

A Muslim asks a scholar
I am a young man who was guided by Allah – all praise be to Him – four months ago. I am surprised at all the bid’ahs (made up crap)) that the people follow, hence I visit this site of yours all the time.

I live in a family where all the people pray, praise be to Allah. I have two sisters aged 14 and 16. They do not wear jilbaabs, rather they just cover their heads. When I try to convince them to wear jilbaab my mother stands in my way even though she wears jilbaab herself, and she tells me that when they grow up we will make them wear jilbaab. I adhere to the command in the Quran to respect our parents, so I keep quiet.
I want to ask 1 – Should I keep quiet and wait till my sisters grow up – Should I go against my parents and make my sisters wear the jilbaab, especially since my parents are strongly opposed to this idea at present?
Please advise me, because I am confused. May Allah reward you with all good

And the scholar replies

Praise be to Allaah.

We ask Allah to continue to guide you and to increase your faith, and to make us and you steadfast in adhering to His religion.

You should continue advising your sisters to wear the jilbaab, and advise your parents to make them adhere to the command of Allah. But you should do that in a kind and gentle manner, and perhaps you can use some tapes and booklets that explain the ruling on the jilbaab, which is enjoined in the verse (interpretation of the meaning): Note.  Anything in red was added by the scholar which is why they often use the phrase; interpretation of the meaning…meaning, their interpretation.

33:59  “O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”
As most desert Arabs would run around naked, especially slaves, Allah wanted them to cover their privates so they wouldn’t be confused as slaves. These guys believe that the only thing worth respecting in regards to women is their ability to turn on some pervs.  Btw, if you see this verse in Arabic you’ll find far fewer words.

This next guy will give you an idea of what people of that time were like.

Al-Qurtubi said: It was the custom of the Arab women to be uncovered. They used to uncover their faces as slave woman do, which prompted men to look at them and provoked desires in them.

So Allah commanded His Messenger to tell them put on their outer garments when they went out, if they wanted to go out to relieve themselves, because they used to go out into the desert before they began to use chamber pots.
He forgot to mention that every now and then one of Muhammad’s companions might pop into the night to watch them ‘relieve’ themselves.  He also forgot to mention that many of the companions were demanding that the women cover up to protect them from bad guys…some of whom were companions.  And he continues….

This was in order to distinguish between them and slave woman, so that free woman would be recognized by their covering, and no one would harass them.
You’d a thought they’d a thought of that all by themselves.

 Before this verse was revealed, believing women would go out for their needs and the evildoers would think that they were slave women, so they would harass them, and the free women would shout at them. They complained about that to the Prophet, and this verse was revealed for that reason.
Uh-huh.  That’s the cleaned up version.  If you want to know the rest, go look it up or get my book/ebook.  Interesting stuff from the minds of 7th century desert Arabs whom Allah called- the worst of the worst (9:97). that many scholars believe were the best of all people.  It is partly from their stories that scholars base their fatwas.
And he continues…

What some people say, that a girl does not have to wear the hijab or jilbaab until after she is married or until she has completed her education etc has no basis, rather this shar’i ruling applies to every girl who has reached the age of adolescence, whether she is 12 years old or 18 or whatever.

People might say this guys a pervert.  A 12 year old girl couldn’t be a woman.  That’s like saying; if a 9 year old boy gets a boner then he’s a man.  Haha
Allah does say (to Gabe who tells Muhammad who tells anyone who will listen and hope whoever writes it down does so correctly) that if you get a pube or a boob, cover it.  Simple stuff.

Fathers and mothers should note that they are responsible before Allah for the affairs of their daughters that have been entrusted to them, as Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): Note the word ‘interpretation’, that means they can make it up and just claim ignorance.

66:6 “O you who believe! Ward off yourselves and your families against a Fire whose fuel is men and stones, over which are angels stern (and) severe, who disobey not, (from executing) the Commands they receive from Allah, but do that which they are commanded”
Translation.  Do only what the Quran says and don’t pervert it.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari And as the Prophet said: “Each of you is a shepherd and each of you is responsible for his flock. The ruler is a shepherd and is responsible for his flock; the man is the shepherd of his family members and is responsible for them...”

Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan “Allah will ask every person in a position of responsibility about that which was entrusted to him, whether he took care of it or was negligent, until He will ask a man about the members of his household.”
And the followers of these scholars will say….we covered up the women.

And Allaah knows best.
Yeah and I’m betting Allah will be pissed.

A Muslim asks a scholar

Is permissible for a man who has two wives to request from the first one to seek his permission every time she leaves the house and when someone is coming to the house even if it were one of her family member and not request it from the second wife?

And the scholar replies

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: Ah the first rule of firstly is they are going to make up an answer

One of the rights that the husband has over his wife is that she should not go out of his house except with his permission or let anyone into his house except with his permission.
As there is nothing in the Quran that gives any husband this right over a wife they’re going to have to pull out a Hadith as scholars believe it’s important for all Muslim husbands to fear their wives.

The evidence for the former is the report as narrated by Bukhari about the slander incident in which ‘Aiesha said to the Prophet: “Will you give me permission to go to my parents?”
They use this one Hadith every time.  I know all about this story/Hadith.  No way can you compare the situations.  For starters, not one Muslim husband is Muhammad even if his name is Muhammad.
But it is a well used hadith….

Al-Iraqi said in Tarh al-Tathreeb Her saying, “Will you give me permission to go to my parents?” indicates that the wife should not go to her parents’ house except with the permission of her husband. End quote.
Open quote.  If Allah had wanted to add this to the Quran it would have been added.  Again the question arises, is the Quran complete or not?  Try this…

The evidence for the latter is the words of the Prophet: Narrated by al-Bukhari “No woman should fast when her husband is present without his permission, and she should not allow anyone to enter his house when he is present without his permission.”
Wow, now there’s a stretch.  Not eating = not going out.  Riiight.  I hope everyone starts challenging their scholars, as he continues….

The correct view is that the husband does not have the right to prevent his wife’s parents from visiting her unless he thinks it most likely that their visit will result in trouble and harm.
You know we do have medication and counseling for husbands who are so insecure and afraid.

Secondly:  Again, not impressed with the firstly

It is not obligatory to treat co-wives the same with regard to what is mentioned above.

In the case of one of them going out of his house without his permission there may be the possibility of harm or trouble or temptation, or he may be very protectively jealous for her, or there may be other reasons that make the man resort to such a thing, so he makes her ask permission before going out, but he does not require that of the other wife. The same may be said concerning the issue of visits.

But that’s not what the Quran says.  It says. 4:3  If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, then only one, or one that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice

Now even if you don’t like the laws of the 7th century the Quran still says to treat all wives equally.   Yo-- scholars…FAIL.

What matters is that the husband should not seek thereby to harm his wife or hurt her and make things difficult for her, because that is contrary to the good treatment that he is enjoined to give her.

And Allah knows best
And if the scholar knew best he would of started and ended his fatwa with that last paragraph as that’s the only one based on the Quran.

And now a quickie

A Muslim asks a scholar

In many parts of the USA, the Muslims cannot find any suitable place to perform salaat al-jumu’ah (Friday prayers) except in some churches where they are able to rent space cheaply or for free.

But some students have stirred up a controversy as to whether it is correct to offer salaah in churches, because of the report from Ibn ‘Umar about preventing people from praying in churches, synagogues, graveyards and places where sacrifices are made to other than Allaah.

On this basis, some of the Muslims have stopped coming to Jumu’ah prayers. Could you please tell us the correct ruling on this matter, so that we may resolve the differences between the Muslims in this community?
Jazaakum Allaahu khayran (may Allaah reward you with good).

And the scholar replies

Praise be to Allaah.

If it is possible to find an alternative place in which to pray, then it is not permitted to pray in churches and similar places, because these are the places of worship of the kuffaar, where they worship other than Allah, and because of the statues and pictures that they contain.

But if it is not possible to find anywhere else, it is permissible to pray in them, out of necessity.


 ‘Umar said: “We do not enter your churches because of the statues and pictures that are in them.”


Ibn ‘Abbaas used to pray in churches except for those in which there were statues and pictures.

When was the last time you went to a church, synagogue, graveyard to see a sacrifice?
You really want an alternative place to pray?  Buy a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia. 
As the Quran says, if you feel oppressed living with the ‘infidel, go live in a Muslim country or go to hell.  4:97
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