On the other hand, out of 57 Muslim countries, only a handful actually has a death penalty, and executions for apostasy are rare even in Iran and Saudi Arabia. Apostasy is actually legal in secular Muslim countries such as Turkey.
But Sharia law does state that if an adult man leaves Islam, he is to be killed, unless he’s considered crazy. It’s ok to be an unbeliever if you’re crazy.
If a female leaves Islam she is to be imprisoned until she changes her mind. Being crazy won’t help her.
This comes from the (prophet) Buky.
If a female leaves Islam she is to be imprisoned until she changes her mind. Being crazy won’t help her.
This comes from the (prophet) Buky.
Bukhari; "If a sane person who has reached puberty voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be punished. In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed."
‘No one besides the caliph or his representative may kill the apostate. If someone else kills him, the killer is disciplined (for arrogating the caliph's prerogative and encroaching upon his rights, as this is one of his duties).’
That did not make it into the Quran.
‘If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage’. Deuteronomy 13:6–10
Being killed for leaving a religion is not a new sport. It’s been going on since religion was invented. Believe or die. If you decide not to believe and are killed for that belief, do you go to ‘their’ hell? I doubt it. Besides, the G-d didn’t invent hellfire for the Jews- that came later for the Christians and Muslims. Interesting.
Apostasy is a Greek word that means, 'a defection or revolt'.
These days, many Islamic scholars believe that the apostasy laws of Hadith were more political than religious. I don’t think they had a choice. With the internet anyone can read the Quran in any language.
Others say that because the other 2 religions of Abe have a death penalty for apostasy, that it’s what God wants.
"Think not that I came to destroy the Law [Torah] and the Prophets. I did not come to destroy them, but rather to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these..
Matt. 5:17
Matt. 5:17
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5)
That is also one of the 10 commandments...you shall put no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3. Deuteronomy 5:7
This is the main messages for the Jews, that there was only ONE G-D. At the time of this revelation, there were thousands of gods and goddesses, who were renamed as ‘pagans’. Pagans were bad, so were idolaters. The belief in just ONE god was the cause of many wars and disputes, still is, even if it’s not a new concept. Now it’s not enough to believe in one God, it’s more about the rituals that the one God gave to the prophets/messenger/son.
The Nicene Creed turns God into a father, that was new.
“God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
“We believe in on God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and all that is seen and unseen.”
If God is a father, then the father can have a son.
“God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.
“We believe in on God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth and all that is seen and unseen.”
If God is a father, then the father can have a son.
After Amaziah came from striking down the Edomites, he brought the gods of the men of Seir and set them up as his gods and worshiped them, making offerings to them
2 Chronicles 25:14
There are around 500,000 Hadith, approximately 30 on apostasy. I guess it wasn’t as huge an issue as some would like to believe. Of course Buky Bukhari leads the pack.
Bukhari; Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
During the Spanish inquisition, a systematic conversion of Jews to Christianity took place, some of which under threats and force. Compulsion in religion was huge.
William Tyndale was a priest who left the Catholic Church because he didn’t agree with the concept that the Holy Scriptures must be in Latin, a language very few understood. He believed, as did Martin Luther (another heretic priest), that the Scriptures should be available in English. He was tried for heresy in 1536. He was burned at the stake. Most Protestants would call them both liberators and revolutionary but they were both apostates.
Count Valentine, (Abraham ben Abraham) is said to have converted to Judaism and that caused him to be burned at the stake in 1749. Leaving the Catholic Church was a deadly decision.
These days neither Jews nor Catholics follow the punishment for being an apostate. But that doesn’t mean that your family will rejoice. You still can end up being excluded from your family and friends and if you’re Jewish, forget about being buried in a Jewish cemetery. And if you’re Amish you might never see your family ever again.
Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction..’ 2 Thessalonians 2:3 at that time, only those who knew latin could decide it was for the ‘rapture'.
And now we come back to Islam, the Quran, Muslims and apostasy.
I would like to be a lawyer defending religious freedom in a Sharia court, because it would be so damn easy. Even though some dead Arab decided that the Quran could only be read in Arabic, there is not a scriptural basis for that religious law. Like Martin Luther and William Tyndale, the law needs to be challenged and- we won’t need to burn a Tree. If you toss the Hadith, it’s a pretty clear case. The Quran makes it easy to toss Hadith.
Quran 5:99 “The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.”
Muhammad was not the message, he was only the messenger.
Muhammad was not the message, he was only the messenger.
7:3 Follow what has been revealed to you from your Sustainer and do not follow guardians besides Him (His Laws), how little do you mind."
And who is the sustainer, God or Muhammad?
And who is the sustainer, God or Muhammad?
3:20 “So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to God, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in God’s sight are all of His servants.”
So forget Hadith.
So forget Hadith.
16:89 And We have revealed the Book to you which has the clear explanation of everything, and a guidance and mercy and good news for those who submit."
So forget Hadith.
So forget Hadith.
10:59 “Say: ‘Tell me, what provision Allah has sent down to you! And you have made of it lawful and unlawful.’ Say: ‘has Allah permitted you to do so, or do you invent a lie against Allah?’
I wonder how the judges would respond to that question. Hadith is not sacred so forget Hadith.
16:116 “And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: ‘This is lawful and this is forbidden,’ so as to invent lies against Allah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allah will never prosper.”
If you don’t let my client apostate, you’re gonna be a broke ass
If you don’t let my client apostate, you’re gonna be a broke ass
2:256 “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And God hears and knows all things.”
There is no compulsion in religion. If you believe in many gods and give them all up for the belief in one God, it’s all good. But if you don’t, that’s ok, too. There is NO compulsion in religion. And here's the kicker. The Quran is the only book that does not insist that you believe. You read that right. It's one of the upgrades, you don't have to believe. You'd think that would be a bragging point. Instead it got lost in hadith and rejected by Saudi and Iranian scholars, who of course will end up in the hellfire.
109.1 Say: O unbelievers!
109.2 I do not serve that which you serve,
109.3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
109.4 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
109.5 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
109.6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion
So how can there be a death penalty for apostasy? Aren't these words clear enough?
There is no compulsion in religion. If you believe in many gods and give them all up for the belief in one God, it’s all good. But if you don’t, that’s ok, too. There is NO compulsion in religion. And here's the kicker. The Quran is the only book that does not insist that you believe. You read that right. It's one of the upgrades, you don't have to believe. You'd think that would be a bragging point. Instead it got lost in hadith and rejected by Saudi and Iranian scholars, who of course will end up in the hellfire.
109.1 Say: O unbelievers!
109.2 I do not serve that which you serve,
109.3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
109.4 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
109.5 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
109.6 You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion
So how can there be a death penalty for apostasy? Aren't these words clear enough?
10:99 “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?”
Translation; if the Lord wanted everyone to be a believer, it would have already happened…and it’s none of your business.
Translation; if the Lord wanted everyone to be a believer, it would have already happened…and it’s none of your business.
28:49 "Say: Then bring some (other) book from Allah which is a better guide than both of them, I may follow it, if you are truthful."
And you bring Hadith?
And you bring Hadith?
31;6 Wamina alnnasi man yashtaree lahwa alhadeethi liyudilla AAan sabeeli Allahi bighayri AAilmin wayattakhithaha huzuwan olaika lahum AAathabun muheenun
Translation;
31: 6: But, there are among men those who patronize ridiculous Hadith without knowledge thereby misleading men from the Path of Allah and throwing a butt of mockery on the Path: for such there will be a humiliating Penalty."Translation;
I rest my case of bitter fruit. The Quran does not allow a believer to kill anyone who decides to leave Islam because 'to you your religion, to me mine' is the law. And the Quran throws a penalty at those who follow Hadith, so don't even go there. This is a pretty easy case, let my client convert to the worship of Trees or you will be humiliated and broke…and you'll end up eating the bitter fruit of said Tree.
Let my people GO!
The truth is better than hadith!
Let my people GO!
The truth is better than hadith!